Thursday, February 16, 2012

Haplogroup-Subclade predictor - Y DNA E1b1b1a1b-V13 100%

Here is a Haplogroup-Subclade predictor. You can use this tool if you only have STR values without SNP confirmed results.

Rather than spend another $89 I thought I'd give this a try and learned now that I am 100 % E1b1b1a1b-V13. I also was able to test a few others and find who else was E1b1b1a1b-V13 100% . Some interesting matches and may have distant links to these families:
Cemach Isaac Kleinman, 1843? - 1927 E1b1b1a1b E-V13,
Minkovitz, Ukraine E1b1b1a1b E-V13,
Thugut, Cesky Budejovice, Bohemia E1b1b1a1b E-V13,
Adolf Steiner E1b1b1-a1b E-V13
Isaac Koplovitz?, b.c 1883 Kraisk, Belarus E1b1b1a1b-V13,
Max Langenauer, b.c. 1901, Turka, Poland Ukraine E1b1b1,
Binyamin Luria, b. circa 1850, Bialystok, Poland E1b1b1a1b-V13,
Arye Lieb Lurie b. ca. 1782 in Pinsk, Belarus E1b1b1a1b-V13,
Lewek Lewkowicz, b.c. 1695 Poland E1b1b1A1b-V13,
Moses Huebschman, Hanusovce nad Toplou, Slovakia E1b1b1a1b-V13
Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan Armenia E1b1b1a1b-V13
Moise Modiano b.c. 1805 Salonika, Ottoman Empire Italy E1b1b1a1b-V13
Zeev Kitzes, b.c.1685, Medzhybizh, Ukraine E1b1b1a1a1b-V13
Schroeder Germany E1b1b1a1b-V13


  1. Hi shvt:

    I'm the Schroeder above on the E1b1b1a1b list. I notice that many of the people on the list appear to have Jewish surnames, which isn't surprising as the E haplogroup is the second largest founding lineage for Jewish males, after haplogroup J. I descend paternally from German Lutherans. I had many email exchanges with a 36/37 match, with the surname Cordes, whose ancestors came from a village a few miles from my own (Ostereistedt). We concluded that we may both descend from a 15th century Catalonian Sephardic, whose descendants eventually reached northern Germany.

    Dave Schroeder

    1. I have no idea where my family comes from although my great grandfather lived in Southern Italy (Dipignano) in 1873. A search of my Family name turned up a Genealogy page by Guy Stair Sainty, according to the Semi-Gotha says the family name "Borghese" is ancient jewish ... that converted to catholic in the 14th Century. Borghese, Princes - Originally from Germany, becoming Catholics in the late 14th or early 15th centuries. Princes of Sulmona, etc.

    2. My paternal line is of the same group. My grandfather was fom San Mango D'Aquino in southern Italy. There is a town Montoro in Cordoba, Spain and a poet Antin de Montoro in the 1400s who was a converso - a Jewish convert to Catholicism. Hs wife was burned at the stake after his death in th Inquisition.

    3. Having trouble with keyboard - that is Anton de Montoro

  2. Awesome Maria
    I have an exact match to 37 digits with a Sephardic. Family in Spain...
    Maybe my family also was in Spain at one point in time.... Who knows.

  3. Hello
    I tryed the link added my numbers in and found I am 91% E-V13 that is with the numbers that was giving to me by Genografic project. I never did a deeper look in to my YDNA. So is 91% certin I am in the E-V13 group? My Father is from Macadonia and my mother from Austria. I am E1b1b1 on my dads side and K on my mothers.

    1. Hello Alex999 good to know your Father is from Macedonia. I am also E1b1b1a1b M78 + V13 cluster A. It seems my 80th Great Grandfather was a Thracian Soldier taken to Scotland by the Romans to defend the Antonine Wall against the Picts and Caledonians.I have Borghese and Schroeder in my matches but distant.

  4. I am an E1b1b1 (M35). My ancestors came from Spain to Argentina many centuries ago. In Spain there have been Jews with the same last name as I have: Saravia. “Saravia” is a visigothic word that means “road”, and was adopted as a last name by Visigoths that lived in Cantabria near 1000 AD. I had my genetic test in 2006, but it was just today that I learned that Albert Einstein belong to the same haplogroup as I do. Really surprising!

  5. The predictor gave me 100% probability of being E-V65. I think it works well.

  6. Our family is descended from the Arye Lieb Lurie listed above. Our closest match with a similar surname is to a descendant of the Binyamin Luria also listed here. We still can't find a paper trail.
    Thanks for pulling all these families together for further research.

  7. Thanks Anony Mous. My closest match is with this Lurie/Luria family. Maybe we are cousins. What is your Family name ? Roth ? You can email me at

  8. Well, my dad thought he was Irish, but when I traced the family back through genealogy I began to suspect that my name was actually English of Viking orgin. My last name is Scull. There are occasional records of this surname in England going back to the 1300s with a possible variation of the name in the Domesday Survey of 1086, making me think the name could have been of Viking origin: Skule. But the Geno2 project nailed my Y-DNA as V-13 and the results was E1b1b1alb, which I'm guessing here is the same thing. So, this is all very interesting to me. Its really exiting finding out that my paternal ancestors were relatively recent emigrants from Africa and that they spent so much time in all these places with a longer history than England.
    So what is this about being 100%? What does that mean when you are talking about the Y-chromosome?

    1. Your ancestors were not "relatively recent emigrants from Africa". LOL.
      E-V13 is a European sub-clade. Yes, its parent clade, E-M78, originated somewhere along the Nile, circa 20,000 years ago, but E-V13 is, for all intents & purposes, European. It is massively European in its scope/distribution, & probably European in its origin (that is to say the mutation that defines the clade probably occurred on site somewhere in Europe). If it is not European in origin it developed not long before those ancestors of yours entered Europe, probably at some point in the late mesolithic, roughly 10,000 years ago.
      Nobody knows when E-V13 first made it to Britain, but there is a good chance it was over 2000 years ago, & maybe even 5-6000 years ago. The Romans probably brought a bit of it to the island as well.
      Still, E-V13 & E-M34 are essentially the non-African clades of haplogroup E.

  9. I am V13. I and the father of a woman in Argentina who traces her father's ancestry to Navarre, Spain in 1570 share a common male ancestor who lived about 1400-1500. Yet my earliest male ancestor was born in Tuszyma (powiat Mielec; Rzeszow), Poland in about 1772.

    A likely explanation: our common ancestor was a Sephardic Jew (despite her and my Catholic ancestors), expelled from Spain in 1492, and whose descendants made their way through Greece or Italy into southern Poland maybe in the 1600s. There is evidence for such a Sephardic penetration into southern Poland. One man of note, called Salomon Szafardi [Sephardic], emigrated from Italy to Krakow in the early 1600s. The Polish word for Italy is "Wlochy" (I believe there's a connection to the Vlachs here, but that's another story); Salomon's descendants acquired the surname "Wlochowicz," My surname is "Blachowicz" (of which there are both Jewish and Catholic families in Poland) -- phonetically very close. Yet that's only an intriguing possibility. A "Wlochowicz" could have changed his name to "Blachowicz" even though "Blachowicz" is earlier than "Wlochowicz" in Poland.

  10. Informative thread. Geno 2.0 says that I'm also E-V13. Surname is Turco but the most I know definitively is that my paternal grandfather was from Calopezzati, in southern Italy. Our oral history says that the Turcos were originally from Turkey, hence the name, but had to flee the muslim invasion and landed in Calopezzati date unknown. Calopezzati itself was founded by Christian Monks from Greece fleeing the muslims. That was about 1000 years ago. Sometime after that the Christian Turks arrived. As far as I know my paternal side has always been Catholic, however all of the Turcos I've met outside of New England are Jewish. That is because after 1492, many Sephardic Jews fled to Turkey from Spain and once they left Turkey used the surname Turco based on where they were most recently from.
    Most scholarly work I could find on my specific haplogroup believe that it originated in either the Levant or on Peloponnese, the Greek peninsula.

  11. Nobody mentioned stratioti. The Stratioti or Stradioti were mercenary units from the Balkans recruited mainly by states of southern and central Europe from the 15th until the middle of the 18th century. The Venetians first used stratioti in their campaigns against the Ottomans and, from c. 1475, as frontier troops in Friuli. Starting from that period, they began to almost entirely replace the Venetian light cavalry in the army of the Republic of Venice. Apart from the Albanian stradioti, Greek and Italian ones were also deployed in the Battle of Fornovo. In 1514, Henry VIII of England, employed units of Albanian and Greek stradioti during the battles with the Kingdom of Scotland. In the 1540s, Duke Edward Seymour of Somerset used Albanian stradioti in his campaign against Scotland.In the middle of the 18th century, Albanian stratioti were employed by Empress Maria Theresa during the War of the Austrian Succession against Prussian and French troops.
    The stratioti were pioneers of light cavalry tactics during this era. In the early 16th century heavy cavalry in the European armies was principally remodeled after Albanian stradioti of the Venetian army, Hungarian hussars and German mercenary cavalry units (Schwarzreitern). They employed hit-and-run tactics, ambushes, feigned retreats and other complex maneuvers. In some ways, these tactics echoed those of the Ottoman sipahis and akinci. They had some notable successes also against French heavy cavalry during the Italian Wars.